The on-going A-Rod saga is literally continuing to spin. The media is going to push this guy off of a cliff, whether itself induced or not. I am acutally kind of feeling bad for this guy cause you can not go a sportscenter, a newspaper or anything without a A-Rod mention.
The guy admitted more then any athlete has in a while. And it isn't enough for the media...personally I am sick of the story and just want to watch Baseball.
We knew more was going to develop out of this cause the media didn't get what it wanted...but what is it the media wants? Do they want this guy to crack right in front of the public eye?
I don't know what but it's starting to get very depressing to continue to watch.
You bring up a great point Cheesy. I wish the media would be focusing more on uncovering the 103 names left then the constant A-Rod crap. You gotta feel bad for the guy that is taking the fall for all of those 103 players.
All 103 names won't be released because it's against the law.
Releasing A-Rod's name as well was against the law, and in my opinion releasing his name was far worse then what A-Rod himself did.
At the very least Selena Roberts should have had her AP credentials revoked, if not prosecuted and sent to jail.
I'm not overexaggerting my opinion of this by the way.
However the media will never go down that route and criticize one of their own.
I actually feel bad for A-Rod.
I mean he's not helping himself by putting his foot in his mouth everytime he speaks, but his punishment in the court of public opinion is beyond what anyone should have to endure for what he did in my opinion, especially when there's 103 other guys out there who did the exact same thing who have received nothing.
i feel bad for him too, especially now since thier contemplating penalizing him now because of his association with a certain trainer. i mean the tests were anonoymous, MLB just wanted to get a number of how many players took roids, and the fact a-rod might get penalized because some people had it in for him is disgusting
pmoehrin I couldn't agree more. Something should most definately happen to Selena Roberts...but since she is the "media" it appears the media is protecting their own cause you never hear the opinon you bring up. And its certinately validated.
A-Rod CANT be suspended, under the labor agreement any player who took a banned substance before 2004 cant be suspended however if they can prove he distributed to other players he can. On a more serious note, you guys have disappointed me, I dont understand how you guys can continue to "feel bad" for a guy who continues to lie, as wrong as it was that his name came out dont any of you think that A-Rod is a big boy and brought all this on to himself. If he didnt try to cheat then none of this would have happened. Didnt any of you see his press conference, he tried to muster up tears and couldnt, he came off as fake. Maybe its because I grew up in a different time, some of the greatest players ive seen growing up like McGwire, Clemens, Bonds, and Palmerio were all cheaters, loving this game as much as I did growing up I cant help but feel betrayed.
If you consider paying the consquences of your actions taking the fall then so be it. Should there not be a punishment that fits the crime. Although he didnt break any MLB rules he did break the law, now you can include transporting illegal drugs across international lines, do you guys think he shouldnt be punished for being a drug mule? A-Rod has more serious issues to worry about than cheating in a game.
All 103 names won't be released because it's against the law.
Releasing A-Rod's name as well was against the law, and in my opinion releasing his name was far worse then what A-Rod himself did.
At the very least Selena Roberts should have had her AP credentials revoked, if not prosecuted and sent to jail.
I'm not overexaggerting my opinion of this by the way.
However the media will never go down that route and criticize one of their own.
I actually feel bad for A-Rod.
I mean he's not helping himself by putting his foot in his mouth everytime he speaks, but his punishment in the court of public opinion is beyond what anyone should have to endure for what he did in my opinion, especially when there's 103 other guys out there who did the exact same thing who have received nothing.
Arent you attacking the wrong person, all this woman did was her job. Its not like she found this on her own. For every story there is a source. Did you feel the same way about the 2 guys who broke the Balco story? This woman didnt break any laws for reporting a story that was told to her. Not to mention that you have no idea who the other 103 players are, how do you know any of those guys havnt been caught already? Remember who you are defending, this guy has broken some serious laws himself. Do you really feel that releasing his name is more serious than drug tracfficking because if you do you have a very poor perspective of reality.
She and her partner David Epstein dug for months to find this type of info out.
And the Balco guys released sealed court documents in their book, and were forced to testify in court in order to reveal their sources or face jail time.
The person who was finally found to have leaked the testimony was Victor Conte's lawer, and was sentenced to 2 and a half years in jail.
I don't think this is quite as serious as the Balco case, because you don't have sealed federal testimony being leaked here, but I don't think it's ridicilious to ask for something similar to be done.
As to whether or not to prosecute Arod, if you go after him, you have to go after everybody, or you are setting a double standard. As of now the federal government has only been concerned about going after people who sold, and distributed steroids.
To my knowledge at least there is no evidence Alex Rodriguez did this.
And I'm sure that the vast majority of these 103 players have not been caught and or prosecuted. The only one I know of for sure is Jason Grimsley, because he was believed to be a steroid distributer in addition to a user.
As for whether or not drug tracfficking being worse, to each man his own opinions. I stand by my first statement, and I'm not getting into an ideology argument with you. But I say again, you go after Arod, you have to go after everybody. Anything less is setting a double standard. If you think the other 103 players should be gone after, fine. Alot of people would say that, and it's a pretty hard point to argue. But you can't say it's okay to go after Arod and not go after everybody else with the same amount of time and attention by an already overtaxed DEA. Personally I feel the DEA is a complete waste of taxpayer dollars, but that's another story which I won't get into.
Going after Selena Roberts and David Epstein is going after two people who clearly did this solely in order to make money, get noticed, and got people to break laws that are protected under the 4th ammendment to do so. They had to in order to get some of the information they had. All of this at the expense of another human being, while their were 103 other people out there who did the exact same thing, and were ignored.
The easiest thing in the world is to kick somebody when they're down, which is also why I think the media has been so relentless in their trial of Arod. To me bashing Arod is taking the easy way out, instead of looking at the big picture of what's actually going on. All you have to do is look at the names of people who are trying to bury Arod, versus the names of the people who are to at least some degree trying to defend Arod.
The people trying to bury Arod is filled with talk show hosts and reporters, who are for the most part how can I say this, hacks. While the other group is filled with some of the most respected minds in sports today, although the are much in the minority. I personally know one of the people in the latter group by the way, and there's only one other person who opinion's I will respect over his, and he has also come out in defense of Arod to some degree. I'll side with those people every single time.
That's all I really have to say about this. I feel like I covered all bases here, and I really don't like talking about this kind of stuff. The whole steroid thing has just stunk on all sides from day one.
I'll close this with the news that Roberts also has a book coming out in May about Arod. What a coincidence.
I totally agree with everything youre saying except the part about defending a man that went to great lengths to cheat and break the law along the way, isnt saying that Roberts should be prosecuted and ARod shouldnt be punished a double standard in itself. Isnt the fact that guys like Pete Rose and Joe Jackson who have been banned for life for reasons that had nothing to do with cheating and guys like ARod and Palmerio who have not been and they did cheat a double standard. I think that over time the names will come out and you deal with them accordingly. The reason why he is being kicked while he is down is because he has made it to easy not to, I believe he was very egocentric to not think that anybody wasnt going to check the validility of his statement and answers.
There's a difference between taking a drug to improve your ability, and fixing the results of games.
That's what's seperates Rose and Shoeless Joe from the rest of the pack. As to whether or not they should be allowed into the Hall of Fame that's a whole different argument with both sides making very strong cases.
I also never said Arod was a good person. I just said he was entitled to some basic rights which were violated by somebody else.
Arod more or less did this on his own. I mean sure he had a trainer working with him, but if that trainer hadn't helped him, he would have found somebody else who would have. Same thing goes with his cousin.
As for Roberts and Epstein, they did this with the help of people in promeninant positions who are corrupt, and need to be removed from whatever job they hold in MLB or any other organization they work for, if not sent to jail.
That's why their sources need to be made known to the general public.
You can't promote what Roberts and Epstein did as being okay without saying it's okay to have promeninant officals getting off the hook for doing the exact opposite of what their job entails. You don't have that type of conflict of interest with defending Arod.
That's what seperates what Roberts and Epstein did from Arod.
I just don't see how a-rod should take the fall for all 104 guys. Yes he did something against the law and should be punished accordingly, but why is he the only one? If you're going to drag his name through the mud then shouldn't everyone else? He's not responsible for what the other 103 players did but he's being punished like he is which in my opinion is ridiculous.
I think that A-rod should get some of the blame, but their are 103 other players that haven't been released to the media. They need to leak those names to the media because they may get in the HOF for cheating. I do think that Alex is getting a lot of blame for this because he is the biggest name in baseball.
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Alright, but in some sort of way isnt taking a drug to enhance your performance changing the outcome of games. I mean just what steriods can do will greatly enhance the ability to hit a fastball, makes you stronger which will increase bat speed and gives you better vision so in turn better hand-eye coordination. Growing up in Philly and being 33 years old I had the oppurtunity to watch Pete Rose play the game and the passion this man had I would find it hard to believe that the man actually bet on his team to lose although I could never prove it and we all know he would never admit it.
I just don't see how a-rod should take the fall for all 104 guys. Yes he did something against the law and should be punished accordingly, but why is he the only one? If you're going to drag his name through the mud then shouldn't everyone else? He's not responsible for what the other 103 players did but he's being punished like he is which in my opinion is ridiculous.
How is this man being punished for what others did, isnt he being punished for what HE did. Its obvious that this Roberts broad has a hard on for A-Rod and if I were her and got the A-Rod story I would have atleast tried to go a little further and get the other names which Im sure her source knows. But in all honesty A-Rod is only answering for what he did and its easy to percieve that he's taking the fall for all but thats only because his name was the only one released and over time I have full faith in the corrupt media that the others will soon follow.
Alright, but in some sort of way isnt taking a drug to enhance your performance changing the outcome of games. I mean just what steriods can do will greatly enhance the ability to hit a fastball, makes you stronger which will increase bat speed and gives you better vision so in turn better hand-eye coordination. Growing up in Philly and being 33 years old I had the oppurtunity to watch Pete Rose play the game and the passion this man had I would find it hard to believe that the man actually bet on his team to lose although I could never prove it and we all know he would never admit it.
To a degree yes, but I don't think you can compare the two.
When you start fixing games you've completely eliminated the idea of athletic competition, and now you've turned the game into the WWE. That's the worst thing that can possibly happen to a sport that claims fair athletic competition.
Steroids does effect the outcome of a game, but the result still isn't predetermined.
I am one of those people that believe steroids are bad an affect the person but also the person has to have good bat vision and reflexes to hit the ball and lots of bat speed.
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Very well stated. My only real beef is that these guys cheated and by definition of the word cheating does change the outcome. I know that the Rose issue is totally off topic but the only way he could change the outcome was bet on his team to lose, do you really think that was the case?
There is no evidence that Rose ever bet against the Reds, but there were games in which he didn't bet for them.
That means he could rearrange the bullpen to try to win the games he had money on versus games he did not.
In the end it still produces a major conflict of interest.
It's not quite as bad as a player willing throwing a game, but it's damn close. To put it another way if what Joe Jackson and the Black Sox did was a 10 for damaging the game, Rose's actions were about a 9.5
Not to get too far off topic, but I've actually met Pete Rose. Probably the most tragic human being I ever met in my life. Just to be talking to him knowing that this guy played the game perhaps harder then anyone, had more hits, played in more games, and just to see what type of a person he was was simply sad.
I think they haven't cracked down on it because the players that throw the matches are players that really wouldn't make an impact in the tournaments. They should kick the players out of tennis for the people who have been caught throwing th matches.
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