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RE: Oklahoma Thunder

Bob333 · Guru

The Lakers also have the best bench in the game also with Sasha Vujachic and Jordan Farmar Luke Walton and also Lamar Odom

-- Edited by Bob333 at 00:24, 2008-12-24

JasonClaytor · Veteran Member

Lamar Oden???? Is he any relation to Greg Oden??

ODOM, is his last name.

And CO I must argue with you, I feel that Lebron is currently the best player in the game. No disrespect to Kobe as he will go down as one of the all time greats, I just believe the Lebron does more. Either way you cant go wrong.

88DaleJRFan · Guru

The Best player is Lebron. Kobe is there but its Lebron. Yes the Lakers prolly do ahev the best bench in the NBA but then that helps them alot

Bob333 · Guru

Ha once again I disagree with all of you and the best player in the game right now is Dwayne Wade. He is averaging more points, steals, and assists than Lebron James and Kobe Bryant are. He is doing more with less than both of those guys

JasonClaytor · Veteran Member

Lebron took a team that wasnt the good at all to the NBA finals, D Wade will not do the same this season with the Heat.

Comparison:
PPG FG% RPG APG SPG BPG Minutes Per Game
Wade 28.8 48.7 5.1 7.0 2.2 1.57 36.8
Lebron 27.7 50.7 6.7 6.4 2.0 1.15 36.0
Kobe 26.1 46.8 5.3 4.2 1.4 0.41 35.1

Wade 20.7 Shots Per Game, 26% on 3's, 76% on FT's
Lebron 19.3 Shots Per Game, 28% on 3's, 79% FT's
Kobe 20.3 Shots Per Game, 32% on 3's, 86% FT's

So yeah Bob DWade is averaging more in the cats you mentioned, but he is also playing more mintures then the others. Lebron is Shooting better then DWade across the board. He is also taking a shot and a half less a game. At the 50% clip he is shooting, the following would be true.

The Cavs have played 27 games, so if he takes the extra 1.4 shots each game, that would be an extra 38 shots. He would make 19 of those shots, equaling 38 points. Which would add those 38 points onto his current point total of 748. 748 + 38 is 786 Points. So that would work out to be 29.111 PPG.

So simply looking at the numbers doesnt show much, you have to look a little deeper.

Bob333 · Guru

Claytor like I already mentioned he has to play more and shoot more than the rest because of the reason he has no body good on the team. He has less than the Cavaliers and you know that as well as I do.

JasonClaytor · Veteran Member

I agree that he has less then the other two players. I am just saying, that the simple stats do not always tell the true tale. My analysis was simply taking a closer look into the stats. Comparing the two.

Yes he does need to take more shots and play more in order for his team to be better, However, He is shooting worse from the field and I think that is something major.

Neither Lebron nor DWade have ever been considered to be great perimeter shooters, so They are very comparable in the aspect that they are both looking to attack the bucket at all costs and get looks close to the rim.

88DaleJRFan · Guru

I think just by the fact that Wade is leading the league in PPG isn't much cause he is on a team with no one else really good there to help him. Atleast bron has Mo Williams and Boobie Gibson to help take some slack off and Kobs has Fisher, Gasol and bynum so the other two have more of s supportsing cast

JasonClaytor · Veteran Member

They definately have a better supporting cast, thus they can afford to score less. But it is a testament to their ability that they are still scoring and winning.

Kobe has been there before when he was scoring but not helping his team win. Lebron is scoring a bunch and still making his team better and winning a lot of games.

88DaleJRFan · Guru

And the thing is Kobe has toped out while Bron is just getting better and better

Bob333 · Guru

Kobe gave it all in the Olyimpics and of late he hasn't been consistant in the way he plays. As of late is scoring has been going up since the beginning of the year, but he isn't playing the same way most people are used to.

88DaleJRFan · Guru

This is coming from a person who A. Hates the lakers. B. really hates Kobe. C just loves the game. Kobe is scoring more but his intensety is down. I tink what will really tell us who the very good teams are this year will be today when all the best teams in the league play except the Cavs

Bob333 · Guru

Spurs got the niceset win today, but they should have lost that game. The Suns just dominated the boards pretty much the whole game. The Spurs got lucky with the three by mason even though it was nice penetration by Tony Parker.

88DaleJRFan · Guru

Yea i know. Now now now... Can anyone tell me how many games in a row Chris Paul ahs a steal now? It WAS 108... now its 0. The magic stuffed a very good Western conference team including the Best PG in the game and have a 6 Game win streak gonna make it Seven against the T-wolves saturday night. I really think people need to start looking at the Magic. Over there four game home stand they beat The Spurs, Lakers and Hornets with an easy win vs Golden St in there.

Bob333 · Guru

Its fun to beat on crappy teams like the Warriors. Having said that they just about manhalndled and killed the Hornets. The Hornets looked like they were a Pop Warner team going against a professional team. CP3 had a tough game. I saw the Magic distribute the ball around the whole game and the scoring was balanced throughout the whole game.

88DaleJRFan · Guru

Yea. I was at the game and i could tell not only was Paul getting upset but so was David west. The Hornets missed alot of shots. The Magic are always normaly pretty good with moving the ball around and were hitting all of the shots

Bob333 · Guru

I think the Hornets go with the way David West plays. If David West plays well then the Hornets play well. If he doesen't play well then they don't play well

88DaleJRFan · Guru

Sure. He played terrible and was upset against the Magic and they got killed

Bob333 · Guru

See exactly my point right there. Anyways Tyson needs to step up for this Hornets team its been all Chris Paul and no one else of late.

88DaleJRFan · Guru

Tyson needs to stay out of foul trouble and be able to make his free throws for them to win

Bob333 · Guru

Yah but since he is getting in foul trouble he is limited on what he can do

88DaleJRFan · Guru

Yea he is. I think if he stays out of foul toruble then he will be very helpfull to the team. I think if they could find a way to get a better back up big man they will be better also

Bob333 · Guru

TO be honest about Tyson CHandler I think he just had one good season last year and now he is trying to hard to be as good as last year. He scored pretty much all his points on alley oops last year

88DaleJRFan · Guru

Ok so lets look and see if we can figure out why most of his points came on alley oops.. Oh right he has Chris Paul at PG

Bob333 · Guru

Yah thats what I mean he is the reason Tyson Chandler was good last year.

88DaleJRFan · Guru

Speakig of Tyson Chandler what the hell is his problem. Getting into a fight with Joel Pryzbilla??? Wow thats just sad as hell

Bob333 · Guru

Yah thats retarded. Why would you get in a fight with him. Joel Pryzbilla sucks and your getting in a fight with this guy.

88DaleJRFan · Guru

Yea and if i heard correct didn't it end up hurting tyson also

Bob333 · Guru

Yah thats what SportsCenter said and ESPNews

88DaleJRFan · Guru

Something stupid lkike he broke his elbow

Riight now who do you all think are the best three teams in each conference? In the east you got the Celtics, Cavs and MAgic all playing great basketball while int he west you ahev the Lakers, Portland and The Hornets. Those are the best teams in my opinion but what about you guys

Bob333 · Guru

The Spurs and Suns are better than the Hornets as of now. I nthe east I got a problem with the Cavs becuase if you check their record you know that they beat up the easy teams and don't beat any of the teams in the east with a winning record.

88DaleJRFan · Guru

Yea and the thing now that will hurt the Cavs some is no Big Z for up to a month. This is something that will be a big blow and now they have to use Ben Wallace and Varajo.

Bob333 · Guru

Ben Wallace and Anderson Varejo just don't have the jump shot that Big Z has. Ben Wallace can't even hit lay ups consistantly. Anderson is a good spark off the bench as a high energy change the pace of the game sorda player. Cavs will slip .

88DaleJRFan · Guru

This is the best thing that could happen as a magic fan. This means if they can play as good as they have been latly they can over take the Cavs for second in the east and it showed how much they miss big Z today losing the Sorry ass Wizards.

Bob333 · Guru

The Wizards are another team that should be better. God you should have seen the Wizards vs the Thunder it was horrible both teams missing dunks and throwing the ball away it was horrible. They have Deshawn Stevenson and Antwan Jaminson and Caron Butler who are really good, but without Gilbert the team just doesn't run right.

88DaleJRFan · Guru

The team revolves around Arenas. with out them they can't do notin. They have an All-Star calliber player in Caron Buttler and he is the only one helping them to any extent tryingt o win games. Jaminson is playing terrible just like the rest of the team

Bob333 · Guru

The Suns are like the Wizards.IF Steve Nash doesen't play well then the Suns normally don't play well.

88DaleJRFan · Guru

Yea but the Suns have Am're to pick up his slack while the Wizards have what Nick Young

Bob333 · Guru

Somebody needs to pass the ball to Amare Stoudamire and Leandro Barbosa has proven that he can't replace Steve Nash

88DaleJRFan · Guru

Use Jason Richardson as the main ball handeler

BBALLCOACHD · Senior Member

yeah when he is not getting DUI's

88DaleJRFan · Guru

Lol. Well i mean other than Nash and Barbosa they really dont have anyone who can handle the ball after getting rid of Raja Bell

BBALLCOACHD · Senior Member

Grant Hill used to play point-forward he wouldnt be a bad choice

88DaleJRFan · Guru

Yea i mean i guess he could be ball handler but he just worries me alot with the Injurys that he used to have that if he is playing too fast or physical he could get hurt again

Bob333 · Guru

Grant Hill I wouldn't trust him to be a main ball handler. He is injury proned every year and he would probaly end up hitting his ankle or knee and be out for the season

88DaleJRFan · Guru

You want to talk about injury prone with him. I know what it feels liek as a Magic fan spending so mcuh on him to see him sit on his ass and play like 82 games total

Bob333 · Guru

Yep he was really great when he was with the Magic or with the Pistons haha. He is a good player but he will never be great because of his ankles.

cheesybacon24 · Senior Member

GO BUCKS!!! 8 SEED RIGHT NOW! IM PUMPED!

88DaleJRFan · Guru

He was good when he played for the Pistons. He was an All-star player.

And yes right now the Bucks are somehow in the 8th seed but if they play the Celtics they are done and same witht he Cavs or Magic and right now the eastern conference is a dog fight at the top